Charlie Kirk’s latest investigation explores the rapidly approaching crisis of artificial intelligence’s impact on American jobs and the political implications of AI bias. In a revealing interview with Winton Hall, author of ‘Code Red,’ Kirk exposes alarming claims about how major tech companies are allegedly embedding left-wing political bias into AI systems while preparing for what could be a massive disruption to white-collar employment within the next 12 to 18 months.
According to Kirk’s reporting, the investigation reveals that Google Gemini has allegedly “smeared seven GOP senators and Vice President Vance and Secretary Rubio as in violation of their quote hate speech policies and yet zero Democrats.” This finding, which Kirk states was breaking news on Breitbart, demonstrates what appears to be systematic political discrimination built into AI systems.
Kirk reports that major AI companies have invested heavily in left-leaning media organizations. “If I gave you $50 million to buy the archives of, let’s say, the New York Times or the LA Times or Time Magazine or The Nation or The Atlantic, that does two things, right? One, it’s a subsidy to a left-leaning outlet to be able to stay in business and make payroll,” Kirk states, explaining how these financial relationships allegedly influence AI training data.
The investigation reveals concerning claims about political donations from AI companies. Kirk reports that “their donations since 2020 $200 million to democratic causes,” referring to Anthropic’s political engagement. This massive sum allegedly demonstrates the ideological leanings of companies controlling AI development.
Kirk’s investigation also uncovers alarming predictions about job losses. He reports that “Dario Amade just recently say that we got 12 months to 5 years until half of white collar entry-level jobs are wiped out.” Additionally, Kirk states that “Microsoft AI CEO Mustafa Sulleon say 18 to 12 months” for similar disruptions. These timeline predictions suggest an imminent crisis for American workers.
The report exposes how AI training data comes from allegedly biased sources. Kirk explains that “the corpus of most modern LLM enterprise level chatbots AI you’re talking about a couple of bases of information one Wikipedia which we know is far left and is constantly smearing conservatives and then locking their pages so that they’re not allowed to edit and correct them. Number two is Reddit which leans left.”
Kirk’s investigation reveals efforts by the Trump administration to address AI infrastructure costs. He reports that “President Trump and Vice President Vance did an amazing job with their ratepayer protection pledge,” which allegedly prevents working-class communities from bearing the financial burden of data center construction through higher utility bills.
The broader implications of this investigation touch on fundamental questions of political power and control. Kirk states that “AI is not just a tool. It is political power and that power is going to decide whether we indoctrinate or educate our kids.” This framing positions AI development as a critical battleground for American values and governance.
Kirk’s reporting suggests that the current political moment represents a critical window. He states that “this is as good as it’s ever going to get for right of center conservative people in terms of woke bias because they know the big tech companies know that you have the house, the senate and the white house.” This observation implies that without immediate action, AI bias could become permanently entrenched.
The investigation concludes with warnings about the need for conservatives to prepare for what Kirk describes as “the 5D political chess game that’s about to emerge with this AI acceleration.” The report suggests that failure to act now could result in permanent disadvantage for conservative viewpoints in AI-driven systems that will increasingly control information, employment, and education.
Key Facts — All Alleged
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| Who | Google Gemini, Anthropic, Microsoft AI, President Trump, Vice President Vance, Secretary Rubio, GOP senators |
| Amount | $200 million in donations to democratic causes since 2020; $50 million example for media archives |
| Location | Not specified |
| Program | Not specified |
| Status | Alleged |
In Charlie Kirk’s Words
“Google Gemini has smeared seven GOP senators and Vice President Vance and Secretary Rubio as in violation of their quote hate speech policies and yet zero Democrats”
— Charlie Kirk
“their donations since 2020 $200 million to democratic causes”
— Charlie Kirk
“we got 12 months to 5 years until half of white collar entry-level jobs are wiped out”
— Charlie Kirk
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All right, want to welcome to the show now Winton Hall. He’s the author of a new book, Code Red, about AI. It’s uh getting all kinds of traction. If you haven’t heard about it yet, uh he’s the stories from this book are going viral. His interviews are going viral. Uh it’s interesting as well because Winton is a former ghost writer and he’s a social media director at Breitbart and it’s like him and Joshua Lysk are like the revenge of the ghost writers. the guys that bit the brains behind these books are now coming out with their own books and they’re of course doing extraordinarily well. So, welcome to the show, Winton Hall. Uh it’s an honor to have you. » Oh, it’s a great honor to be here. Thank you so much. » Yeah, longtime Breitbart uh behind the scenes guy and now you’re kind of emerging. Why did you start with Code Red, this AI um story, the left, the right, China, and the race to control AI? » Yeah, it’s a great question. You know, I I’ve enjoyed a long career in writing many many many books. Um, and this one I felt like I needed to come out of the shadows because we don’t have a lot of time and particularly for conservatives to get ready for the 5D political chess game that’s about to emerge with this AI acceleration. I think President Trump and Vice President Vance are doing an exceptional job at the national level with their leadership. But I think at the grassroots, we have to understand that AI is not just a tool. It is political power and that power is going to decide whether we indoctrinate or educate our kids. It’s going to affect how we erase or create jobs. And obviously right now we’re seeing in is in in is uh in the Iran and Venezuela um conflrations the way it’s AI warfare is affecting the battlefield. So we’ve got to be ready and I just don’t think we are. Um you know Elon Musk says a supersonic tsunami is what AI is heading at humanity. We’ve seen Dario Amade just recently say that we got 12 months to 5 years until half of white collar entry-level jobs are wiped out. And we’re hearing Microsoft AI CEO Mustafa Sulleon say 18 to to uh 12 months. So if you thought there was a tsunami offshore and you saw it from the beach and you said I only have you know this limited amount of time, you do everything you can to try to get people as prepared as possible. And that’s really why uh I took on Code Red with this one. Yeah, Winston. Uh, I think this is the sort of thing a lot of people are aware of AI, a lot of people are using it. They use it casually. They’re seeing it and come into their workplaces, but people I talk to who are really in the know. They’ll say the biggest issue in America right now, the biggest issue in this admin right now, it’s not Iran, it’s not even immigration. One of the things they tell me the biggest question right now is, is AI basically going to be woke? Is AI going to have left-wing assumptions baked into it » or not? And we saw a flare up of that with the fight over anthropic which a lot of people in DC were paying attention to. I don’t know how much that penetrated the the normal the norm sphere as it were but c can you explore that? Can you can you break down how important that really is? » Oh, it’s such a brilliant and important question. So um you have to understand that the anthropic folks are very deeply politically involved. Um first of all their donations since two uh 2020 $200 million to democratic causes. Okay. So, this is a highly highly ide ide ideologically uh engaged group. The second thing is that when you look at the bias point that you brought out um the very first chapter of code red is on the hidden persuasion of AI and right now literally five minutes or so before I got on uh we just put it up on Breitbart’s lead story and it’s breaking from Code Red which is that Google Gemini has smeared seven GOP senators and Vice President Vance and Secretary Rubio as in violation of their quote hate speech policy. ies and yet zero Democrats. Now, um that’s their Google Gemini a AI and so what I did in the a lot of the you know I spent two years investigating this book but even just recently looking at it um this is no question peer-reviewed academic journal literature has concluded numerous times that leading LLMs that is large language models are overwhelmingly biased toward a leftward direction and I explained why and the training data and all the rest of it. Um, we this is as good as it’s ever going to get for right of center conservative people in terms of woke bias because they know the big tech companies know that you have the house, the senate and the white house and they have huge regulatory override ability to affect their business. The minute that Democrats get into power, if and when that happens, um the big tech elite are going to default to their scan and ban censorship, you know, blacklist and demonetized uh instincts that we saw under the Biden years. So, this is that’s why I call it a code red moment. Two two reasons. One, an alert, an alarm. And two, that our side of the ball, the conservative side, the red team politically, has to have a code. We have to have a set of principles. We have to have a set of solutions. And that’s why I really try to not just write a doomer, but really lay out um what we can do on a personal level as well as the politics. » Yeah, that that’s all remarkable. And I’m I’m thinking uh there there’s a writer there’s a blogger on Substack who has a series of posts that I’m sure you’re familiar with, Arctothereum, and he had a whole breakdown where he’s asking each of the AIs, he’s giving them uh a bunch of resumes and then asking these AIs, who would you hire? And without telling them to do this, without instructing them to do this, the AIS are naturally, for example, engaging in racial discrimination. Like they’ll discriminate against white America against white people or against men, against straight people because that is just what’s going into the the pot on these AIs is all of the discrimination, all the woke stuff we’ve had. And people don’t even know about this. And if you’re just asking an AI to do this for you, if you say, “Oh, AI, hire 50 engineers for me.” It’s going to do that. even if you aren’t you might not even be thinking about it. » That is exactly right and the bias is baked in as you rightly point out and um the the corpus of most modern LLM enterprise level uh chatbots AI you’re talking about a couple of bases of information uh one Wikipedia which we know is far left uh and is constantly smearing conservatives and then locking their pages so that they’re not allowed to edit uh and correct them. Uh number two is Reddit which leans left. The three is peer-reviewed academia which obviously we’ve know about university bias and uh and the and the problems we have in education. Obviously Charlie fought against that and better than anybody. And the other thing of course is something called the common crawl which is the uh open open internet a huge data set there. The final thing though is that they have these very lucrative deals with left of center publishers. There are only a few people that are in the center that have these kind of deals. And think about this. If I gave you $50 million to buy the archives of, let’s say, the New York Times or the LA Times or Time Magazine or The Nation or The Atlantic, that does two things, right? One, it’s a subsidy to a left-leaning outlet to be able to stay in business and make payroll. But the other thing it does is it bakes in all those years and years and years of biased left-leaning reporting by those or organizations into the training data. So it’s garbage in garbage out. And that feedback loop, that self-reinforcement feedback loop um becomes very very toxic for just getting straight factual information. And so one of the things I do in code red is I literally lay out all the contracts. here’s the money flow, just old style, you know, follow the money kind of journalism and let people just know um the kind of bias and how big a money uh is flowing between these c companies and the far-left uh builders. As America turns 250 this year, everyone is going to be talking about our country’s greatest milestone. Unlike others, Good Ranchers is a meat company that’s 100% committed to America. Every cut they offer is raised on local American farms and ranches. From the pasture to the final seal on every single box, their entire packaging and fulfillment process takes place locally. Visit goodranchers.com today. When you start your plan, you’ll get to pick a free meat that will be included in every order for life. And you’ll get $25 off your first order by using our exclusive code kirk. Goodranchers.com. American meat delivered. So, uh, Winston, another thing that we’re getting, we get emails sometimes, I know this is popping up more on the right, is this hostility towards data centers, hostility towards some of the infrastructure that goes into AI. So, you having analyzed it, what do you think the right posture of conservatives should be towards AI? Like it it feels to me like it’s probably a doomed venture to just say, “Oh, let’s push back on the development of it.” it seems more important that we need to control and influence and make sure it does not go in that disastrous direction. And so you’ve got about a minute and a half if you can answer that. And like what what should the administration be doing to bring AI to heal so to speak? » That’s one of the more positive recent developments. President Trump and Vice President Vance did an amazing job with their rateayer protection uh pledge, which what they did was they sat down with the heads of all of these large uh AI and tech uh builders and hyperscalers and they said, “Look, um we do not want workingclass communities to have to foot the bill for higher energy prices in the form of their electric bills, their water bills just because you want to build uh some giant data center in their backyard.” That’s exactly the right posture. And not only will this pledge that President Trump um brokered, not only will it make those big tech behemoths pay for um upgrading those uh infrastructure pieces and the electric uh overflows, it will actually potentially lower the cost of local communities, water bills and electric bills because they’re going to do a lot of modernization of their uh rickety uh grids. And so I think that’s the kind of proactive uh leadership we need, which is exactly what you said, which is look um AI is a reality. 99% of us use it, even though 64% of us don’t even realize sometimes when we’re using it because it’s baked into our weather apps and other devices. But I think if we can get ahead of those landmines and avert them, uh we’re going to be able to hopefully navigate our way through one of the biggest and most disruptive fastmoving technological innovations we’ve ever encountered. You you’re saying we’ve got what 18 months till like you know the job apocalypse comes. Well, I hate to figure you out even more, Adrian. It actually there are some estimates it’s as few as 12 months. Um but here here’s the reality. Okay. And we all have to understand this 5D chess game that’s being played here. Um and I and I walked through and code read the the whole economic chapter here. Um, you have forces all the way from Elon Musk to Dario Amade at Anthropic to Mustafa Sullean at Microsoft AI and they are all giving you these very very dire job apocalypse wipeouts. They’re doing that because of something called a gentic AI. What is that? It’s AI that actually can do the work. This is not what most people are used to a chatbot. It’s an AI agent. It can take real action. It can open up a browser. can open up a bank account and it can do that autonomously over a task threshold that is accelerating very very quickly. Okay. And it’s scaling the white collar job cognitive work not moving atoms in the world blue collar work. Ironically those folks are are less in at risk of automation. The real the real question is this. Are they bluffing to raise capital to to say hey we’re creating this labor replacing technology. It’s going to be the trillion dollar opportunity. Are they doing it uh to to raise capital? Are they number two just ideologically driven to want to scare people toward universal basic income and wealth redistribution? Or number three, are they just genuinely worried about, you know, human civilization and and they’re just trying to alarm every alert everybody. I think the reality is that um there really is going to be real major um job disruption. doesn’t mean that you’re going to necessarily lose your job, but what uh Jensen Wong at NVIDIA has said for a long time, you won’t lose your job to AI. You’ll lose your job to someone who has mastered and knows how to use AI. Um, a lot of people hear that though and they go, that still sounds like I’m losing my job. So, what is the best way to be prepared? Number one, I think that you should futureroof yourself and understand your industry’s use of the technology. Number two, if you have par if you’re a parent or a grandparent, you have absolutely got to understand uh the implications of AI and the risks to eroding critical thinking, cognitive offloading, certainly the AI companions and AI girlfriend physical risks. But the best thing you can do is this. The future is not going to be about teaching our children to find jobs. It’s going to be teaching our children to create jobs. And what do I mean by that? I mean entrepreneurship. So if we build the trivium the classics of of education that Charlie and others have educated for so well you know logic grammar and rhetoric. Number two we then give them the tools of entrepreneurship to understand how to create opportunity create a small business. And then third and finally keep them ab breast of AI. You’ve really built a little bit of a moat to the degree that you’re going to be able to around your child or your grandchild so that they’re going to be able to navigate this. I had somebody yesterday who has a middle school child and they said, “What do I even tell my child to to grow to to major in in college if they’re going to college and um that’s that’s the problem here. Um this this train is moving at warp speed and so the answer is no one knows the answer to that in six years and so the best thing you can do is prepare them to be able to create a job, not to just have to fill out a resume.” Winton Hall, author of the new book Code Red, a really important offering. I you’ve uh I mean, listen, we’ve talked about AI on the show for years now. And I I think this is you you’ve given one of the most concise and compelling presentations of this. Everybody check out Code Red Winton Hall with our friends over at Breitbart doing great work. Congratulations. And uh you know uh future proofing is now going to be in my lexicon. So thank you sir. Well, thank you and thank you for what you do uh and for what you do to keep Charlie’s legacy alive. We’re so grateful for it. » Thank you, Winon. God bless you, man.